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The problem with many online services is they require a critical mass before they can be profitable, or to make sure they don't get overtaken by a clone... it's relatively easy to copy eBay or Facebook but you will never get users now they are THE solution in those spaces.

Therefore you need a big cash injection up front to buy publicity and so on. A decade or less ago that was easy, people were falling over themselves to throw money at any idiot with a web-based idea; even the good ideas took years to turn a profit.

Does anyone still do this? Or are those days over and you need your own capital?

EDIT: see this link on the "get going fast" as an internet business.

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JDXSolutions, I apologize, but I couldn't disagree more.

If anything it is much easier to bootstrap a startup than it was even 5 years ago. You do not need a big cash injection for publicity.

With that in mind, the question then becomes: "Why do I need funding?" What will you spend it on besides customer acquisition?

Remember one thing: If you poke a hole in a balloon regardless of its size, it will lose air. Find a way to simplify, or carve a niche that the larger company may have missed.

Also... copying Facebook and eBay is not relatively easy. They took time to build, market and grow. Regardless if you have all the money in the world, if an idea sucks, it won't have the success of those two companies, for example.

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Sorry but I'll have to disagree. It may not be 'easy' to recreate Facebook but it's a hell of a lot easier than making a clone of a BMW or other physical product. The point is if I didn't manage to get a big user-base fast, someone with $500k could see my idea made sense, clone it in a few months and end being the well-known provider of that service. – jdxsolutions Jan 24 at 15:05
See the link I added for a better explanation of what I was trying to say – jdxsolutions Jan 24 at 15:07
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Do people still fall over each other to throw money at web-based startups? Absolutely not.

Are the decent financing options for web-based start-ups? Some

Rob offers a stronger 3rd option. Self finance and cut expenses as low as possible. Free Open Source Software can do wonders to a bottom-line. Use Google Documents and Calendar to manage and share information. Buy cheap hosting and manage it yourself. Market online by creating quality content on blogs and staying active in your niche community.

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The cost is the cost of developers... everything else is just pennies in comparison. And of course doing everything yourself saves $, but burns time. And time is very valuable, or at least I consider mine to be. – jdxsolutions Jan 24 at 15:11
Time is of course very valuable. You are very right in the fact that there is a graph that you need to find your location on between how long your idea will stay innovative and the time it takes to develop the concept. You're looking at an upward climb no matter what, but if you can show your idea fills a need and you can show your time to market is strong enough, you CAN find investment capital. You just need to provide an exit strategy that can give your investor 10x - 30x of their investment. The devil is in the details, but it is possible. – Justin C Jan 24 at 19:24
My original advice came from the direction of someone who is a developer and owner of a web technology start-up. So for me the equation was different. My hardest challenge was showing the viability of sales, not proving the production timeline. – Justin C Jan 24 at 19:26
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Investing in a web based company is not what it used to be. The factors that are different from 10 years ago is that it is at least ten times cheaper to build & host good software software, and it is 10 times harder to get revenue from traffic.

Productivity of web-based software is incredibly high these days, and computing, storage, and bandwidth is incredibly cheap. That means that any half-savvy software developer with an old Linux box and a high-speed connection can develop a web-based software application, and/or copy somebody else's (without looking at the source code). From an investor's perspective it means there is much less competitive advantage in being an early mover, mainly because the entry barriers are low. From the founder's point of view, it means that they can bring the company much further along without taking on investment and expensive executives mandated by the VC. If the founder does decide to take on investment, it can be at a much higher valuation.

Traffic is very hard to acquire. SEO is hard work compared to 10 years ago. You have to work hard to tweak your messages to be in tune with popular searches. Big splashy launches and press releases don't have the same impact because anybody can do it now. It's cheap. Paying off bloggers to write nice articles about you to acquire traffic doesn't work because everybody does it, and it is often quite obvious in the prose when "independent" bloggers are being paid to write about a company. And when you acquire traffic, it is harder to convert it because everybody is doing exactly the same thing.

There are far fewer "network-effect" opportunities (where the value of an application is proportional to the square of the number of users) than there were 10 years ago. Google, Skype, Facebook,Amazon, eBay, et al have taken those. VCs like network-effect opportunities because it lets them get quadratic gain for linear investment.

Cultivating valuable relationships with paying customers one by one is just as hard, but much cheaper. That is much easier to today because you can offer "free" versions of your software while you build trust with your prospects. When they convert it lasts. But this is not a network-effect, and not going to produce the financial gains that VCs need. But it does offer the opportunity of a prosperous business for a web entrepreneur.

I don't think that VCs have abandoned these kinds of businesses, but they are looking for businesses with network effects with high entry barriers. Those are much harder to find today which is why there is less VC investment.

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JDXSolutions, Capital now is at it best since 2001, there is much opportunity and money flowing around that it was 5 years ago.

Its not publicity that grows a business but building "What people want", If you can make a better facebook and if you can show the data points that users absolutely love your product, i'm not sure why investors won't like that.

Check out http://www.slideshare.net/dmc500hats/incubator-20-a-silicon-valley-success-story to understand a little more on Startup Funding Eco System.

Cheers, Greg. I tweet @gregosuri and blog @ blog.gridbag.com

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If I made a better Facebook, it wouldn't replace Facebook without throwing a lot of cash at it. Inertia is an issue and on social sites, having a large user-base is the biggest 'feature'. – jdxsolutions Jan 24 at 15:09
Greg, where are you looking at investment numbers? I thought that I read the other day that VC was at a 10 year low, or something like that. Angel investment isn't officially tracked anywhere, so I don't know about those numbers, but I thought in general investment dollars were down. – Justin C Jan 26 at 21:23

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